Thanks to Tim Alderete, coach at The Meadows School, for compiling all this data! This should be of use to debaters and coaches thinking about what tournaments to attend, to tournament directors who want to know how their tournament stacks up, to TOC Committee members for future use in determining bid allocation, and to debate nerds who like lots of data.

Comment below what tournaments you think are the toughest and why! Is it easier to bid at a big national tournament where the top talent is diluted by several hundred competitors or smaller more regional tournaments?

We’ll be releasing these throughout the summer so be sure to check back!

Read Me First

Here are a few notes from Tim Alderete on his work:

1- This is data – ONLY data. I am not making arguments or recommendations based on this data. It can be read several different ways – I am not sending it with a reading, and will DISAVOW any agenda ascribed to me.

2- There are errors. I have double checked it and had it proof read, but I am certain that there are probably still errors, either in math, transcription or attribution. If you find any, tell me and I can correct them. They are not done with malicious intent.

3- None of these metrics are perfect, by themselves. They all tell a part of a story. Even together, the story is incomplete, and sometimes misleading. I have included as many metrics as I can gather data on/have been suggested to me. If you think this contains flawed metrics, please suggest better ones, and be willing to collect and organize them.

Octas Bid Tournaments

Table 1 measures the teams with one or more bids, the percentage of the total pool of entries with one or more bids, the number of bids per entry, the total number of wins all the entries who attended TOC got, and the number of those TOC wins per entry.

Tournament Pool Teams w/ Bid(s) % of Pool w/ Bids Total Bids Bids/Team All Teams Wins/Team
Apple Valley 132 39 0.295 109 0.825 117 0.886
Berkeley 260 44 0.169 141 0.542 136 0.523
Bronx Science 178 39 0.219 113 0.634 126 0.707
Glenbrooks 157 60 0.382 171 1.089 191 1.216
Greenhill 104 44 0.423 144 1.384 140 1.346
Harvard 322 48 0.149 119 0.369 123 0.381
HWL 116 40 0.344 132 1.137 129 1.112
St Marks 99 38 0.383 114 1.151 99 1.001
Valley 134 47 0.351 110 0.821 102 0.761
Averages: 166.9 44.3333333 0.3017 128.1111 0.8835556 129.2222 0.8814444

 

Table 2 measures the number of teams that lost in the bid round who also got one or more bids and which teams, if any, got their only bid at that tournament.

Tournament Teams w/ Bid(s) that Lost in the Bid Round (BR) Only Bid Here
Apple Valley 10 0
Berkeley 13 2 PV IG, Dougherty CR
Bronx Science 11 1 Bryam SC
Glenbrooks 12 0
Greenhill 11 0
Harvard 12 3 Harrison SO; Hawken NK; Hunter NP
HWL/VBT 12 3 Interlake AL; Los Altos JN; Apple Valley GH
St Marks 13 1 Loyola NR
Valley 8 1 Bronx Gmi
Averages: 11.33333333 1.222222222

Quarters Bid Tournaments

Table 1 measures the teams with one or more bids, the percentage of the total pool of entries with one or more bids, the number of bids per entry, the total number of wins all the entries who attended TOC got, and the number of those TOC wins per entry.

Tournament Pool Teams w/ Bid(s) % of Pool w/ Bid(s) Total Bids Bids/Team Total TOC Wins TOC Wins/Team
Blake 147 29 0.197 64 0.435 82 0.557
College Prep 112 29 0.258 90 0.803 73 0.651
Cypress Bay 62 10 0.161 20 0.322 16 0.258
Emory 86 25 0.291 76 0.883 76 0.883
Lexington 133 39 0.293 124 0.932 115 0.864
Meadows 75 27 0.359 78 1.039 64 0.852
Presentation 99 24 0.242 63 0.636 58 0.585
Stanford 168 25 0.148 82 0.488 74 0.441
Sunvitational 105 18 0.171 59 0.561 49 0.466
Yale 164 26 0.158 55 0.335 72 0.439
Averages: 115.1 25.2 0.2278 71.1 0.6434 67.9 0.5996

 

Table 2 measures the number of teams that lost in the bid round who also got one or more bids, the number of bids those entries had, the number of TOC wins of those losing in the bid round who attended TOC, and which teams, if any, got their only bid at that tournament.

Tournament Teams w/ Bid(s) that Lost in the Bid Round # Teams w/ Bid(s) Losing in BR # Bids of Teams Losing in BR # TOC Wins Losing in BR Only Bid Here Total
Blake Scarsdale RG; Bronx ID; Hopkins SG; Evnston CT; Roosevelt EW; Valley GS; Lex. DA; Greenhill VA 8 25 28 Apple Valley PH; Bronx Science DR; J. Graham Brown BD 3
College Prep Brentwood JC; PVP JZ; Harker KQ; LAMP RR; Miramonte AB; Brentwood JL 6 19 17 Brentwood JR 1
Cypress Bay Byram Hills PE; Lake Highland MC; Hawken NK 3 4 4 Univ. SK; Dowling CK; Univ. AF; Univ. JR; Univ. KC; Winter Springs JL 6
Emory HWL CC; Valley TG; Bronx GM; Hawken NK; University JR; Kinkaid TG; Harker PR; Bronx ID 8 19 23 0
Lexington Oxbridge NV; HWL CC; Scarsdale MB; Scarsdale RG; Bronx GM; Sacred Heart AT; Byram Hills AJ 7 25 34 Walt Whitman LK 1
Meadows Loyola NR; Greenhill GB; Kinkaid TG; Oakwood JW; LaCanada AZ; Torrey Pines AI; Torrey Pines SS 7 15 21 Peninsula JL; Torrey Pines SS 2
Presentation Oakwood JW; Marlborough AG; Miramonte TK; MSJ AB; LaCanada AZ; HWL CC 6 16 18 Harker KQ; Torrey Pines AI 2
Stanford LaCanada AZ; Miramonte TK; Hawken NK; Oakwood JW; PVP JL; Interlake AL; Lynbrook DW 7 13 18 0
Sunvitational Strake AlT; Roosevelt EW; Law Magnet DD; Oxbridge NV; Scarsdale RG 5 12 12 0
Yale Hawken NK; Bronx ID; Valley GS; Scarsdale RG; Lexington AS 5 14 16 Princeton DE 1
 Averages:   6.2 16.2 19.1   1.6

Semis Bid Tournaments

Table 1 measures the teams with one or more bids, the percentage of the total pool of entries with one or more bids, the number of bids per entry, the total number of wins all the entries who attended TOC got, and the number of those TOC wins per entry.

Tournament Pool Teams w/ Bid(s) % of Pool w/ Bid(s) Total Bids Bids/Team Total TOC Wins TOC Wins/Team
Beltway Classic 71 7 0.098 19 0.267 17 0.239
Dowling Catholic 48 8 0.166 14 0.291 22 0.458
Golden Desert 122 19 0.155 39 0.319 32 0.262
Grapevine 111 23 0.207 57 0.513 49 0.441
Hendrick Hudson 83 12 0.144 33 0.397 36 0.433
Houston Memorial 79 16 0.202 42 0.531 46 0.582
Iowa Caucus 44 7 0.159 11 0.251 13 0.295
Isidore Newman 38 8 0.211 29 0.763 25 0.657
Loyola 73 22 0.301 78 1.012 64 0.831
Princeton 122 10 0.081 20 0.163 22 0.181
Strake Jesuit 58 14 0.241 28 0.482 17 0.293
Puget Sound 47 8 0.171 12 0.255 7 0.148
USC 29 13 0.448 42 1.448 28 0.965
Univ of Texas 147 15 0.102 34 0.231 35 0.238
Averages:  76.57 13 0.1919 32.71429 0.4945 29.5 0.4302143

Table 2 measures the number of teams that lost in the bid round who also got one or more bids, the number of bids those entries had, the number of TOC wins of those losing in the bid round who attended TOC, and which teams, if any, got their only bid at that tournament.

Tournament Teams w/ Bid(s) that Lost in the Bid Round (BR) # Teams w/ Bid(s) Losing in BR # Bids of Teams Losing in BR # TOC Wins Losing in BR Only Bid Here Total
Beltway Classic Harrison KK 1 4 3 0
Dowling Catholic Evanston JS; Valley TG; Valley GS 3 5 10 Oxbridge NV 1
Golden Desert Torrey Pines KK; Logan CS; JMHS DD; Harker KQ 4 12 6 0
Grapevine Strake AlT; Greenhill BE; Calhoun Home AC 3 12 9 Marcus LH 1
Hendrick Hudson Harrison KK; Hunter College BL 2 7 6 0
Houston Memorial Strake JZ; Dulles KS 2 5 4 0
Iowa Caucus Valley GS; DesMoines Catholic CK 2 3 5 Barrington SN; WDM Valley TG 2
Isidore Newman Calhoun Home AC; Greenhill GB 2 6 8 0
Loyola Miramonte TK; Torrey Pines VB; Lynbrook DW; HWL NS; (+12 bid teams lost before the BR) 4 22 15 0
Princeton none 0 0 0 0
Strake Jesuit Kinkaid TG; Marcus LH 2 4 5 Cypress Falls KS; Law Magnet DD 2
Puget Sound Centennial ZM 1 1 0 Sprague CG 1
USC Torrey Pines SS; JMHS DD; Loyola NR 3 8 3 La Canada AZ 1
Univ of Texas KatyTaylor NY; Dulles KS; Woodlands AC 3 8 10 Westwood SaN 1
 Averages   2.285714286 6.928571429 6   0.6

Finals Bid Tournaments

Table 1 measures the teams with one or more bids, the percentage of the total pool of entries with one or more bids, the number of bids per entry, the total number of wins all the entries who attended TOC got, and the number of those TOC wins per entry.

Tournament Pool Teams w/ Bid(s) % of Pool w/ Bid(s) Total Bids Bids/Team Total TOC Wins TOC Wins/Team
Central Valley 45 3 0.066 3 0.066 0 0
Colleyville Heritage 63 11 0.174 24 0.381 12 0.191
Columbia 74 6 0.081 17 0.229 19 0.256
Federal Way 28 2 0.071 5 0.178 3 0.103
Florida Blue Key 65 3 0.046 5 0.076 3 0.046
Harvard Westlake 53 9 0.169 22 0.415 20 0.377
Myers Park 77 6 0.077 8 0.103 3 0.038
Newark 83 10 0.121 18 0.216 18 0.216
Omaha Westside 32 4 0.125 7 0.218 14 0.437
Ridge 83 8 0.096 18 0.216 21 0.253
St James 20 3 0.151 3 0.151 0 0
Scarsdale 63 10 0.158 23 0.365 25 0.396
SWSDI @ Mesquite 45 3 0.066 4 0.088 3 0.066
UPenn 60 5 0.083 5 0.083 3 0.051
Vestavia Hills NO INFO
Wake Forest NO INFO
Whitman College 31 4 0.129 7 0.225 3 0.096
Winston Churchill 54 5 0.092 13 0.241 13 0.241
Averages:  54.75 5.75 0.1066 11.375 0.2031875 10 0.1729375

Table 2 measures the number of teams that lost in the bid round who also got one or more bids, the number of bids those entries had, the number of TOC wins of those losing in the bid round who attended TOC, and which teams, if any, got their only bid at that tournament.

Tournament Teams w/ Bid(s) that Lost in the Bid Round (BR) # Teams w/ Bid(s) Losing in BR # Bids of Teams Losing in BR # TOC Wins Losing in BR Only Bid Here Total
Central Valley Bainbridge JM 1 1 0 0
Colleyville Heritage FMHS JS* 1 1 0 FMHS JS 1
Columbia Byram Hills AJ; Byram Hills PE 2 3 5 0
Federal Way none 0 0 0 0
Florida Blue Key Warm Springs JL 1 1 0 0
Harvard Westlake PVP JZ; Oakwood JW 2 5 9 0
Myers Park Southside RR 1 1 0 Southside RR 1
Newark JGrahamBrown BD 1 1 3 Byram Hills PE 1
Omaha Westside none 0 0 0 0
Ridge Byram Hills PE 1 1 1 0
St James CANNOT FIND RESULTS HWG WT* HWG LM 2
Scarsdale Bronx DR 1 1 3 0
SWSDI @ Mesquite Brophy MC 1 1 0 Brophy MC Brophy SP 2
U Penn none 0 0 0 FMHS AA FMHS AZ FMHS JT 3
Vestavia Hills CANNOT FIND RESULTS 0
Wake Forest CANNOT FIND RESULTS North Allegheny GR 1
Whitman College Eastside Catholic TD 1 4 3 Centennial ZM; Lincoln BY 2
Winston Churchill none 0 0 0 Adam Calhoun AC 1
 Averages   0.5 2 1.5   0.8

*FMHS = Flower Mound

*HWG = Henry W. Grady